THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE MAJORITY RULES UP OR DOWN VOTE ON HEALTH CARE, NOT TWO!

The outrage! The horror!

Yeah, that will have ‘em marching with pitchforks and torches.

By the way, how’d you like that CBO scoring?

“Senate-passed health care bill would cut deficit”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102042.html?hpid=topnews

Pssssstt…. Mr. ParaLegal Man….

Have you read the US Constitution lately?

No?

Here’s what it says about what has to happen in order for a bill to become law in Article I, Section 7:

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.

There’s the problem in black and white, so simple and direct even you can understand it.

The Senate bill has not passed the House and the yeas and nays have NOT been recorded in the second chamber.

You sad, silly little man. What a stupendous disgrace you are to the Ohio state bar.

Today’s CBO score should not be very reassuring to the Democrats on a number of fronts:

1. More Costs — CBO states that we should expect as much as $70 billion in additional discretionary costs that they did not score. This includes $5 to $10 billion for the IRS, “at least” an additional $5 to $10 billion for HHS, and “at least $50 billion in specified and estimated authorizations of future discretionary spending for a number of grant programs and other provisions of the legislation.” That $5 to $10 billion to the IRS, in particular, should worry lawmakers and citizens alike.

2. Continued Access Problems — At great cost, the bill will cover 31 million people by 2019, but that will still leave 24 million people uncovered. In addition, over half — 16 million — of the newly covered people will be covered through Medicaid, and not through private coverage. This is both a fiscal challenge, as Medicaid’s long-term finances are extremely shaky, but also a political challenge, as many doctors refuse to take Medicaid patients. Putting more people on Medicaid will not solve the access problem if doctors refuse to see them.

3. Unlikely Cuts — The bill assumes that Congress will cut doctor payments via the sustainable growth rate, and CBO expresses some understandably healthy skepticism that those cuts will actually take place. As CBO put it, “the sustainable growth rate (SGR) mechanism governing Medicare’s payments to physicians has frequently been modified (either through legislation or administrative action) to avoid reductions in those payments, and legislation to do so again is currently under consideration in the Congress.” Basically, Congress calls for but does not let those cuts go through, and it would be foolish to assume that this kabuki dance of fake cuts built into the baseline budget will change in the future.

4. Higher Premiums — Perhaps most importantly, CBO continues to assume that insurance premiums will increase as a result of the bill, noting that “although CBO and JCT have not updated their estimates of the likely impact of the legislation on health-insurance premiums, that impact would probably be quite similar to the one estimated for an earlier version of the legislation.” It’s interesting to note that CBO does not repeat the findings of that earlier estimate, which found a likely pre-subsidy rate increase of 10–13 percent in the non-group market.

And if you believe ‘The Slauter Rule’ is anything BUT a bait and switch to get the Senate version of the bill passed in the House without a straight forward up or down vote, well there is a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell ya cheap…

Did you note the complete lack of any sourcing on that restate post? Seems to me that someone pulled that out their hindquarters to rile up the increasingly dejected cons!

Cons, this is a done deal . . . and I think I smell the desperation among the cons who know it is a done deal. The Dem House will vote on and pass the Senate bill. It will then go to committee for a reconciliation alteration/trimming. If the paliamentarian says the bill has non-reconcilable stuff in it, some will be lopped off (like the abortion stuff) and sent to the Senate and House separately.

I dare the GOPers in the Senate not to vote thumbs up on the Stupak amendment! Double dog dare ya!

If the reconciliation bill fails, the Senate bill (which passed 60-40) will still be in place. So Obama wins no matter what. And the GOPers? Have to suffer the fact that 30 million people will get health insurance over your objection . . . boo hoo! Delicious!

This is what happens when you play checkers (crowing about Scott Brown’s big win) and the other side is playing chess (figuring out how to make the “big win” irrelevant). Because after all that smug bleating about “the people have spoken” . . . as if a special election outcome in one state should derail legislation that is a year old and hammered out after a national election in 50 states . . . it was such silliness. Betcha wish Scott Brown had not tipped his hand so arrogantly, dontcha!

I went to TeaPartyPatriots.org and could not find the list on Congressmen who are voting yes on the healthcare. Could you please give us a direct link to it?

Thanks so much for your help.

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/healthplan.php

Hmm . . . seems like a trend. What happens when you remove Rasmussen’s poll of his quant “left handed White Southern GOPers who voted in the last county election” demographic:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/healthplan.php?xml=http://www.pollster.com/flashcharts/content/xml/HealthCare.xml&choices=Oppose,Favor&phone=&ivr=PPP (D)&internet=&mail=&smoothing=more&from_date=&to_date=&min_pct=&max_pct=&grid=&points=1&lines=1&colors=Favor-000000,Oppose-BF0014,Undecided-A69A37,No Opinion-68228B

I think I now know why Massa was a GOPer star yesterday, why Patvann pulled out a nine year old video of an old man’s recollection about a 1994 bill that was never even submitted to a vote, and why Ricky Cantor and John Kyl have been “advising” their Dems “friends” that it would be best for them if the bill did not pass:

methinks the GOPer polling is telling the same story as the second pollster.com… chart!

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/03/reality-and-polling/37290/

-Again with the multi-posts….(Telling, isn’t it folks?, as it has become obvious that when he does this, his head is 3 psi from exploding.)

“left handed White Southern GOPers who voted in the last county election”

Ummmm. I guess that the same as “likely voters” to idiots like you…talk about “nutty”.

And in light of your powers of observation (like a good lawyer should have) let’s review this:

I think I now know why Massa was a GOPer star yesterday, why Patvann pulled out a nine year old video of an old man’s recollection about a 1994 bill that was never even submitted to a vote, and why Ricky Cantor and John Kyl have been “advising” their Dems “friends” that it would be best for them if the bill did not pass:

Hey bright-boy…I didn’t post that video, so please stop obsessing over me and ask the janitor in your building to go over your work before you post again.

You have once again beclowned yourself. But I’ll give points for the entertainment value.

What does desperation taste like, and do your clients know you have comprehension problems?

@Suek

I agree. I want them to try this in such a bad way!

Obama administration’s TSA has capitulated to terrorist front group CAIR’s demand. Muslims will be exempted from being screened by Full Body Scanners in U.S. airports.

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/full-body-scanners-exempt-muslims/

Disturber

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Nancy Pelosi is my rep….

Nothing short of a nuke over SanFran will dislodge the bitch from her bone. Imagine 800,000 masochistic BRob zombies all voting as a block in a gerrymandered district, and you’ll have the reason I have lost all patience with progressives.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703701004575113292688090292.html

Disturber

Rasmussen has been one of the most accurate pollsters in recent years. . .based on final results vs his predictions

Ultimately, the best poll is at the voting booth . . .and the last three statewide elections haven’t gone in Nobama’s favor — especially after personally campaigning.

“if the votes were there in the House, it would have passed already.”

Not sure why this is important. It’s like saying “if we were there already, we would be there.” She will not “have the votes” until the vote is actually taken. Hey, she may need to hold the vote open for three hours the way the GOP did on the drug bill. Is she does need to do that to pass, so be it.

“And if ultimately it does, there will be candidates in every single House and Senate election campaigning on its repeal.”

A silly and futile effort it will be. What exactly will you be asking to repeal? The prohibition on pre-existing conditions? The closing of the medicare drug bill donut hole? Good luck running on that in Florida. Or how about repealing the reductions in Medicare spending? So how are you cons going to pay for those increases you would put back on the books? Tax increase? Or cutting something else? Or ar you just going to put that on the Chinese Communist credit cards you cons so love to use? What great system are you conservatives trying to conserve?

“And, they will win because there will be the democratic equivalent of blood in the streets if the Demonocrats manage to push this through by parliamentary maneuver over the will of the majority.”

Uh, yeah. You say “the majority” opposes this. Based on what? A poll of 1,500 people? You think that should override the votes of the millions of Americans who voted for Obama, and override the votes of the majority of voters in the majority of states that put Dems in 59% of the House seats and 59% of the Senate seats. How does that make any sense? What the hell kind of country would this be if a poll of 1,500 random people was the way we made policy decisions? That’s just nuts!

“And it will be repealed and the Demonocrats will be out of office for a good twenty years or so.”

Like I said — first explain to me how you sell this! Back to pre-existing conditions, reinstating the donut hole, put the antitrust exemption back in place? Real winning slogan.

By the way — how exactly how would you go about convincing Obama to sign your supposed repeal proposal . . . and that is as if you could actually (a) win the House and Senate [exceedingly unlikely] and (b) get a big enough margin in the Senate to defeat a filibuster [damn near impossible]?

What part of “keep you hands off my healthcare!” do you not understand? Are you just one of those win at all costs types who doesn’t care how it affects anyone, and especially those you deem unworthy of your care? Millions and millions are very happy with their healthcare coverage and do not want the government messing with it at all, including forcing people onto the insurance wagon when they do not desire it? Obviously you have more than one screw loose, but we understand your positions quite well, probably better than you do. Why don’t you just come out and say what you truly feel, which must be something like “Eff the Constitution!” Other posters come here and discuss these topics, including some who are on the opposite side of the issue that we conservatives are. You know what the difference is between them and you? They have respect for our opinions, thoughts and philosophies, while you come on here and spit forth hate and bile every chance you get. Nice life you must have, sitting by yourself and crying about your lot in life, expecting everyone else to carry your burdens for you. My teenagers are better men than you are.

You don’t seem to have much of an understanding of how the legislative process works. The speaker can call up a bill at any time. She could call up the Senate version now, tomorrow or could have done it any day in the past. If she thought that she could pass it, that is to get the apparently 216 votes, she would have done it. This is the whole concept of “whipping”. She doesn’t have the votes and from what seems to going on, and despite her skills at strong arming, bribing and whatever else she is promising, it appears that she is losing and not gaining votes.

Insofar as your argument that the election of Obama and majorities in the two legislative branches concludes the opinions of the electorate for four years, you might find it helpful to read a little history. Perhaps the Federalist Papers would be a good start and then you could read the Jefferson-Adams correspondence. You might then have some grasp of the concept of representative government that is embodied in our Constitution and in the bedrock principles on which this nation is based. The election is a slice of public opinion at a particular point in time and does not and never should lock in the electorate to what happen to be the whims of those in power. It is not a carte blanche to ignore the will of the people as it is expressed from day to day. This is a representative government the last time I looked, and the responsibilities of the legislative bodies is to effect the will of the people and not to impose the legislative will on the people. America is not a dictatorship where the gov’t runs roughshod over the will of the people as it exists. Obama may be enamored with the Castro brothers and Hugo Chavez, but he will be stopped in his tracks if he tries that crap here.

Obama ran as a moderate. He promised a post-partisan style. He promised solutions that departed from politics as usual. He promised transparency. When he got into office, he immediately shifted dramatically to the left, abandoned any moderate positions, and delegated the formulation of what he claims to be his most important priority to Ried and Pelosi, two far left ideologues. So what was elected and what was the hidden agenda are two dramatically different things. His misrepresentations are what has caused his dramatic drop in the polls. The people don’t believe him and his increasing anger and petulance are quite disturbing. How else can you explain the profound defeats in NJ, VA and MA? And profound defeats they were. And there are a few more on the horizon.

There is no question that there are problems with the medical system. There is universal desire to correct these. However, these are very complex problems that require contemplative solutions formulated not by 1500 lobbyists, and a bunch of political hacks meeting behind closed doors. Yet that is precisely the solution that is being proffered. From the Raging Cagin on down, there is not one astute commentator who hasn’t opined that if Pelosi succeeds in her maneuver, that the Dems will suffer a profound defeat in the November elections and could possibly lose the House and the Senate by considerable numbers. Whether the change will be enough to override a veto is by no means certain, but what is certain is that if this bill is stuffed down the throats of Americans, who will see an immediate increase in taxes of about 15 to 20 percent and no changes in the scope and availability of either medical care or insurance availability until 2014, Obama will be a one term president and his replacement will be a Republican with Republican majorities in both houses of Congress. As I said, the winning candidates will run on the repeal of Obamacare, which will be so hated by that time that they will win by large margins. It won’t be necessary to convince Obama to sign the repeal. He won’t be around and his dear wife will have to have given up her 43 attendants.

The Democrats are making a huge mistake treating the American people as a bunch of idiots who need to be told what is good for them. That elitist, condescending attitude has backfired every time it has ever held political power and it will fail once again.

Every scoring of the Senate bill, which is the only one that is on the table, concludes that it will result in increased premiums, rationed care, shortages of medical personnel, increased deficits and the cancellation of millions of existing policies. There has never been a cost estimate of a bill of this complexity that was anywhere near accurate and there has never been an instance with the sole exception of the drug benefit where the actual costs did not greatly exceed the estimates. Obama said today that he was going to squeeze $100 billion a year out of fraud and abuse of Medicare. Well, is it not reasonable to ask what in the heck he is waiting for. Just think how credible he would seem if he could truthfully show that in his first year in office he squeezed even $50 billion in fraud and abuse out of that program. So this statement like so many others he has made turns out to be spin and hot air and as I said, the reason that his popularity has declined is that Americans no longer believe him. (Accomplishing such a reduction in fraud and abuse would have required focus and hard work. It cannot be accomplished by yakking away half of each day.)

And one other thing. I will lay you odds that you have never read the Senate bill. And if you would like to reverse the bet, I will take it, for I have read both the Senate and the House bills as they were passed. While they are maddeningly complex and it is nearly impossible to grasp their entirety, I can assure you that there is nothing in either of those bills that addresses either an increased availability of medical services, or that provides any discernible approach to lowering medical costs overall and I defy you to point to a single section that would accomplish either of those ends. Nor is there anything there that addresses the fraud and abuse in Medicare in any direct way. What it does do is increase the Federal employee headcount by several hundred thousand.

So, I suggest that you are advocating a piece of legislation not on the basis of a lawyer’s understanding of its contents, but rather on the spin and puff that Obama and his minions
have been spouting off for the past ten months, much of which is simply untrue. And Obama and his minions would sell their mothers to get what they want and that explains the endless misrepresentations as to what is in these bills.

Disturber

http://republican.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=blogs.view&blog_id=0ce61200-60e3-46d2-aa4e-745421299344

But you just watch. In all likelihood, nearly every single one of them, Byrd included, will shelve their principles and vote for reconciliation.

If that wasn’t the case then Harry Reid would never contemplate this move which amounts to a declaration of war on the American people.

MyFoodMyChoice.org

The country will go bizerk if this passes.

“But the student loan industry estimates that nearly 35,000 jobs would be lost if the federal government lent directly to students and only let private companies service the loans.”

That along with the other story making rounds today about the government possibly curtailing sportfishing and affecting hundreds of thousands of other jobs ought to tell one all they need to know about Obama and his admin.

THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT ANY JOBS UNLESS IT HAPPENS TO BE IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

At the rate they seem to want to go at things, within a decade their will be more public sector jobs than can be supported by the private industry in the US.

It says in the letter that, “Your response is important. Results from the 2010 Census will be used to help each community get its fair share of government funds for highways, schools, health facilities, and many other programs you and your neighbors need. Without a complete, accurate census, your community may not receive its fair share,”

Written is 6 different languages, including English,at the bottom of the letter was:
“Go to 2010census.gov for help completing your 2010 Census form when it arrives.”

Good Luck America and God Bless!

Obama lipsynchs to his speeches:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCyPAaubENE&feature=popt00us04

This also shows his apology put up on his website to his fans, uuugggghhhh. If he desires fans, why doesn’t he go play baseball or something! I guess he doesn’t realize that the office of the President is not about a popularity contest like American Idol, etc. He’s such an immature man, and it totally disgusts me!

Just got my notice that in one week I’ll receive my 2010 Census form. I’m only required to answer how many residents in my home…isn’t that right?

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Actually Regina unless the Census Bureau can show you their constitutional authority for collecting private information from you, you don’t even have to open the door for them.

The constitution provides that a census may be taken once every 10 years, not every year and there is nothing in the constitution that authorizes them to collect private information…AT ALL!

If you filled out a census last year, don’t even open the door for them again until 2019!

1. From where does the Census Bureau derive authority to demand private information?
2. Is there any limit to the amount and type of private information that the Census Bureau may demand and collect?
3. Under what constitutional authority does the Census Bureau now collect information every year?
4. Do current levels of data collection violate the Fourth Amendment?
5. By what constitutional authority does the Census Bureau threaten penalties for failure to provide personal information?
6. Can security agencies access my private information?
7. May I take the Fifth Amendment?
8. How will my home GPS coordinates be used? And why is this information collected?
9. How can the Census Bureau claim data security with any confidence?
10. Is the Census Bureau responsible for mishandled data?